Angry about nothing

"I am angry at you Ray. STOP, STOP, STOP saying that an atheist is someone who believe something came out of nothing. I am an atheist and this is what I believe. Matter & energy cannot be created or destroyed however they can change from one form to another. This is known is the first law of thermodynamics. Therefore it is natural to believe that matter or energy has always existed in one form. This is why we get upset when you tell us that we believe something came out of nothing. Because there has never been nothing matter or energy has always existed." Stu

If you are familiar with the first law of thermodynamics, then you should be familiar with the second law. It says tells us that it is scientifically impossible for the universe to be eternal. Everything degenerates. Leave an apple on a table for a few weeks and it will rot. Leave a rock for a billions years and it will turn to dust. If the universe was eternal (trillions and trillions "plus" old) it would have turned to dust. So now you are back to the question as to what caused the universe in the beginning. If you say that there was no first cause (a Creator), then you are stuck with the unscientific and thoughtless belief that nothing created everything. So, what is it that you believe? Is it that Something created everything? Then you are not an atheist because you believe in a Creator. Or do you believe that nothing created it? There is no in-between.