"I looked deeper into his blog and discovered that he deletes any and all comments from people who disagree with him . . . I just posted a comment 'you're a %#!*!' to Comfort."
“Comfort is such a @%!%*$ fool, not for his beliefs, but for his idiotic presentation.”
“I went over to Ray's blog, and I've become addicted to pointing out his mischaracterization of atheists and lack of evidence for his belief system for five days now!”
“Ray Comfort is a %$#@! &%$#! idiot.”
“Comfort is a most bilious fool.”
“Ray Comfort is a complete moron.”
“Every single post there has something in it which literally melts part of my brain. EVERY SINGLE POST.”
“Comfort is not sane.”
"Ray, you hyprocritical chicken #!@%$!
“Yes Ray, you are an idiot ...”
"Ray Comfort is an illogical @!*$! . . . I bet he's a republican!"
Saturday, May 3, 2008
Encouragement:
114 comments:
Wow, you guys sure do like a lot of heat don't you.
Ray, with "friends" like those, who needs enemies?
2 Timothy 3:12
They don't like the light shining on their evil choices.
"Happy are you when people insult you and persecute you and tell all kinds of evil lies against you because you are my followers. Be happy and glad, for a great reward is kept for you in heaven. This is how the prophets who lived before you were persecuted. "You are like salt for the whole human race. But if salt loses its saltiness, there is no way to make it salty again. It has become worthless, so it is thrown out and people trample on it. "You are like light for the whole world. A city built on a hill cannot be hid. No one lights a lamp and puts it under a bowl; instead it is put on the lampstand, where it gives light for everyone in the house. In the same way your light must shine before people, so that they will see the good things you do and praise your Father in heaven.
(Matthew 5:11-16)
Ray - I would very much appreciate the opportunity for a private dialogue with you. You have my email. I will leave it up to you.
Blessings
For His Sake.
Ray,
After reading all that negativity and ill will, I feel I must tell you the following:
"Ray Comfort is a beloved child of God."
"Ray will reign with Christ on the New Earth."
"Ray, you are one of my heroes of the faith."
I hope that brings some balance.
BTW I read you're going to be speaking in Chino Hills this month. I hope to be there.
God's best,
Erik
Martin James said...
"Wow, you guys sure do like a lot of heat don't you."
Martin, trust me on this, Ray is a heat magnet....I like that.
Ray,
There's no doubt in my mind now, who you are talking about. The notorious "dale the whale".
Spreading his hate, and slanderous remarks towards anyone who claims to be a Christian.
He takes great delight in causing hate and discontent. He thrives on it, as the brotherhood (atheists) enjoys doing the same thing.
I just came from a female atheist website, and it was worse than dale's. Yes, it is hard to believe but she has 'threats' towards Christians.
I firmly believe in studying your enemies. I have studied the communists, nazis, WWII Japan, Iraq, and Terrorists to name
a few.
You can learn how to deal with them, and the HATE they have towards God loving people.
I read that blog and yes he deletes anyone who does not come inside his "narrow" beliefs of evolution, and atheism.
Some of the "trash remarks" are something a 8 yr old would say to his siblings. I'm very serious!So many nasty comments, and 'cut throat' words. To put it politely!
"I don't know, and neither do you!!!" .....Need I say more ?
But to be honest with you, I feel sorry for the chaps.
Why do you ask?
They don't not know the LOVE OF GOD in their lives. Without it, there is a void in this life. The void has been filled with HATE towards Christians.
The same kind of HATE that the Nazis had towards the Jews in the second World War. Join me tonight in praying for the atheists.
The Power of Prayer is Great! Our God can move mountains! There is nothing he can not do. I know he can change the hearts of the atheists, if he so chooses!
They are our brothers & sisters.
Please pray for them! Thank you.
Hi Ray!!!
Thank you for posting few of the atheist's remarks for others to see.
I didn't want to post the negative remarks from Dale's blog...there were so many of them.
Now, when I read the posts from Dale and his cronies that are posted on your blog, it's like water rolling off a ducks back. Nothing sticks. It's just words, either filled with sarcasm or just a personal put down, that carry no weight and has no value at all. They've discredited themselves by revealing the lack of personal integrity they have, but they don't understand how that can be. That's what I find to be amazing...and truly sad.
May God continue to strengthen and grow you and your ministry.
Peace and Blessings,
Michelle :)
The following article seemed to fit with a large majority of the posting by unbelievers on this blog. Whom do you serve...they unwittingly serve Satan when they think they're serving they're own intrests..
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A wartime mindset must include shrewd knowledge of enemy tactics: Ephesians 5:11, "Take no part in unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them."
Christianity stands or falls with the reality of Satan and demons. Why? Because Jesus spent his whole ministry fighting them. If they are not real he is reduced to a comic figure.
What is Satan's aim and his strategies?
He is the Father of lies. John 8:44
His nature is falsehood! He only speaks the truth in order to deceive.
Therefore, his chief enemy is truth - he opposes God's word. Genesis 3:1-5
He casts doubt on God's goodness. Genesis 3:1-5
He destroys the obedience of faith.
He hinders missions strategy. 1 Thess. 2:18
He opposes the truth reaching and converting people.
He distorts and prevents effective Gospel ministry. Acts 13:8-9
He avoids inner need by removing external trouble. 1 John 3:12
He uses the fear of death to hold men in bondage. Hebrews 2:15
The fear of death doesn't lead them to God because it leads them to get as many kicks here as possible.
He causes people to stumble over bad Christian attitudes. 2 Tim. 2:24-26
He blinds the minds of unbelievers. 2 Cor. 4:4
He exploits a lack of understanding. Mt. 13:19
He suggests ways that don't involve suffering. Mt. 16:23; Mt. 4:1-11
He imitates religious roles. 2 Cor. 11:14-15; Mt.13:28,30; Rev. 2:9
He misuses Scripture. Mt. 4:6
He imitates signs and wonders. 2 Thess. 2:9; Mk. 13:22
He offers exotic occult alternatives. Rev. 2:19-24
He attacks faith. 1 Thess. 3:5; 2 Cor. 11:3
He brings persecution. Rev. 2:9; 1 Pt. 5:8; Lk. 22:31
He brings sickness. Job 1:11; 2:5; Lk. 13:16.
He causes dissension over doctrine and causes rifts. Rom. 16:17-20
He tempts saints with sexual allurements. 1 Cor. 7:5; 1 Tim. 5:15
He takes advantage of unresolved anger. 2 Cor. 2:11; Eph. 4:27
He promotes pride. 1 Tim. 3:6
We began with liar and end with pride. Connection: the truth is that God is God and we are not. It is humbling. The only way to rebel against the lowliness of creaturehood is to be a liar. Therefore humility under God is the great devil resistance (James 4:6-7).
By John Piper. © Desiring God. Website
Choco,
You said,
"They don't like the light shining on their evil choices."
OK, "They ( meaning who, exactly? Why so vague? are you ashamed of your irrational criticisms?) don't like the light shining on their evil choices (What evil choices are you referring to?)
Why the vitriole, man?
I just got chewed out by Ray for calling somebody a "dumbhead."
It's best to keep this civil.
@ Christians...
Great posts tonight; keep on running the race!!
Blessings,
Michelle :)
@
Dale….
Your posts directed at me today are just further documentation revealing your heart’s intention towards Christians. I’m almost amazed. I also think its telling that you’ve waited over 3 days to refute what I originally posted concerning you and your cronies.
@ Christians
I don't want to cut and paste from Dale's blog, but here are a few of the posts, that I read:
This is too Funny; yet so Perfectly Appropriate
Posted on April 03, 2008 at 03:17 PM in Christian Fundamentalism
Bat #$%? Crazy
Posted on March 30, 2008 at 03:18 PM in Bat #$%? Crazy
OK, Sorry About the Poetry- Back to Expelled for the Last Time
Posted on April 21, 2008 at 08:11 PM in Christian Fundamentalism
Dale's Evidence for the Existence of an Intelligent Designer
Posted on April 27, 2008 at 11:30 AM in Science
Terry Burton,
You said,
"I just came from a female atheist website...."
Well, bully for you!
Blessed are you, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake. (Luke 6:22)
The Power of Prayer is Great! Our God can move mountains! There is nothing he can not do. I know he can change the hearts of the atheists, if he so chooses!
Funny how He keeps choosing not to. Guess it's not really my fault then, huh?
Ray,
They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. [Carl Sagan]
At least the nonsensical insults from non-believers are short and to the point... and without so many all-caps sentences.
I love the hatemail over at the FSM page or Maddux's Greates Site in the Universe.
Shiver,
FANTASTIC comment. Yes, I whole heartedly agree with you. I've said before that "atheists" are being used like puppets by the evil of this world.
We hear them ask "where is Hell?
what is the location?"
Could it be that the evil from within has forgotten where home base is? It would be in spirit form.
I think they enjoy hopping from one Christian website to another.
Some of them try to hack in, post porn, or leave 'digusting' curse words. I've had my share on my blog. I love that DELETE button!
Right dale, C3PO ?
Hi Ray,
I'm pretty polite, aren't I? Any chance I could get a thumbs up or a mention on a blog entitled, "My favorite atheists"?
Ray,
Although I think your arguments tend to be a little silly, I don't hold your beliefs against you personally. You've had an experience that changed you and convinced you of something, and I can respect that even if I am not convinced myself.
I hope you'll remember that atheists are not a united front or a mob or anything like that. The only thing that all atheists have in common is that we don't believe in any gods. Other than that, we're as diverse as any population.
A lot of atheists feel like war has been declared on us. I don't know if that's a fair representation of the way things are in America, but I do think that a lot of the anger in the atheist community comes from that kind of sentiment.
There's also a kind of mutual frustration that separates us. You, I'm sure, become frustrated when we refuse to follow you from "Creation to Creator" and we become frustrated when you refuse to acknowledge the evidence for evolution. It's hard to get people to budge on things that they see so plainly, and the antipathy between atheists and Christians is exacerbated by that reality.
I'm not going to ask if we can all just get along, because I already know that we can. We just need to get better at separating our arguments from the people who make them.
Ray doesn't upset me, he just makes me giggle (and want to dialogue).
Terry Burton said:
The Power of Prayer is Great! Our God can move mountains! There is nothing he can not do. I know he can change the hearts of the atheists, if he so chooses!
Well, the Bible says that faith can move mountains. To me it looks like all mountains are still in place. Not one single faithful being on earth? What a shame!
"Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of Heaven." Matthew 5:10
Hi Ray,
Keep running the good race!
Can't wait till WOTM 3 comes out.
God Bless,
In Christ.
Michael
Terry Burton,
You said,
"There's no doubt in my mind now, who you are talking about. The notorious "dale the whale"."
Wrong again. I never said any of those things.
You are a fraud and an imposter.
Burton,
You are a liar too. I have never once left a comment on any one of your blogs.. Never.
Also since I opened my site last November, you are the only person that I banned and that is because you were threatening me and my cronies.
I guess the best reply to this post is:
Does Todd Friel have a blog?
I really want an answer to this question, and I'm worried no one will read it on the older post. So I'm asking it here.
Christians:
Can you explain why atheism is common, but there are no (or no appreciable number of) a-sun-ists?
weemaryanne wrote:
lance, dear, haven't you heard? -- Ray simply luuuves the atheists.
Indeed. I'd like to make an appeal to my fellow atheists here. Let's not give any fodder for these sorts of posts. I realize that most of us are polite for the most part, and we know how to disagree without being disagreeable.
The reason why I say this is that there must be a lot of people who lurk and never post to this blog. Many of them are people who are sitting on the fence as to what they believe.
Years ago, reading online forums helped me to realize that atheism was a perfectly viable options. Mainly it was due to the fact that the atheists had the better arguments, and the Christians would resort to personal attacks and various leaps in logic. Sure, there were some rude atheists and some thoughtful Christians, but the atheists for the most part were better behaved.
While I think that Ray and certain Christians who post here are doing a lot of the work for us, we should be careful not to turn anyone off by acting in a rude manner. It's tempting, I know, but we must elevate the discourse!
So, atheists, are you with me?
Or does the irony of my middle name throw you off?
All,
Since this particular thread is going nowhere, I thought I would post this bit of scripture from Ecclesiates and see what the bibliolaters have to say about it.
I am not being facetious. This is one of thos passages that stopped me dead in my tracks:
Eccleseastes
16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.
18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?
I think the writer of this was alluding to evolution.
"Matthew Wooller said...Howdy asks "Does Todd Friel have a blog?"
That would be a scream!! All his pseudo-intellectual nonsense... It would be so much fun to read.
I love listening to Todd ... it is a real giggle to hear some of the knots he ties himself into. The man clearly thinks he is an intellectual - the man is so clearly wrong."
Matt...Todd Friel could beat you intellectually without using 1/10th of his brain (he could beat me without using 1/100th, but you get the point). You are no match. Your view of yourself is embellished.
Drew asked a good question:
”Can you explain why atheism is common, but there are no (or no appreciable number of) a-sun-ists?”
Because atheism is the rejection or denial of the spiritual reality of God. Asunists is the rejecting of the physical reality of the sun.
The Bible says that we are born physically alive but spiritually dead and so therefore it makes sense that it’s more common for man to deny God before denying the sun.
I’m sure if you pressed a Buddhist or Hindu they would technically be asunists, because they believe that the physical world is an illusion and not really hear. So in that case there are millions of asunists.
The reason atheism exists at all is because God allows free will, the Bible predicts it, and when an atheist comes to the truth of Jesus Christ and is born again it shows the incredible grace of a kind and benevolent God, (that he still loves those who have rejected Him and can save that which was lost and hostile to Him.) If He could do that with me, He can do that with any atheist – and when an atheist is saved God is greatly glorified.
Ephphatha
Matthew Wooller said...
"Howdy asks "Does Todd Friel have a blog?"
That would be a scream!! All his pseudo-intellectual nonsense... It would be so much fun to read.
I love listening to Todd ... it is a real giggle to hear some of the knots he ties himself into."
Todd Friel is formost a comedian and secondarily, a crackpot.
Dale commenting about Book of Ecclesiastes,
I think the writer of this was alluding to evolution.
I actually sort of agree with you. It’s not evolution pre-se, but King Solomon is clearly writing this from the perspective of a naturalistic, earthy worldview.
The whole point of this book is captured in the second verse "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher, "Vanity of vanities! All is vanity."
It was written from a strictly human perspective on life as if there was no God, that’s why the phrase "under the sun” is repeated throughout – “under the sun” keeps the authors perspective from only earth’s view. For 12 chapters Solomon shows the futility and meaninglessness of life without God. The only hope he gives are found in the last 2 verses - you can read them for yourself.
This was actually the second book of the Bible I ever read as an atheist, which help prove to me just how accurate and relevant that the Bible really was.
Ephphatha
@ Ray, Amen, Matthew is a "Legend in his Own Mind"... nothing more.
Christians,
I want to share a entry of Lance christian Johnson. Like Michelle, I have checked some of the atheist sites. I found this on Lance's site.
His return visit to Iran.
"but I remember that all of the regular people on the street didn't seem to like them.
I asked why we didn't all just gang up and beat them up. A crowd started to gather behind me, but then the alarm rang."
This man is supposedly a high school English teacher, teaching our youth ? he likes IRAN !
Teaching them to be terrorists. The article goes on about how he misses IRAN ! If you miss it so much, move back over there!
You have no business teaching the youth of America. Your a bona fided terrorist sympathizer... Mr. Atheist!
its no wonder atheists are on the "watch list" in America.
You and your Evil Empire will pay one day for your crimes!
Lance Johnson,
You said,
"So, atheists, are you with me?"
Yes, I am with you, but, when they defy logic and reason, they deserve all the scorn they get.
professing to be wise they became fools....
Sister Michelle,
I agree with you on dale & cronies!
"It's just words, either filled with sarcasm or just a personal put down, that carry no weight and has no value at all. They've discredited themselves by revealing the lack of personal integrity they have"
We need to watch them closely. They hate us so much, I think they would kill innocent jews & christians wihout remorse.
Ray,
You said,
"Matt [ew Wooler]...Todd Friel could beat you intellectually without using 1/10th of his brain (he could beat me without using 1/100th, but you get the point). You are no match. Your view of yourself is embellished."
I can post study after study why some smart people subscribe to superstitious belif systems.
I would much rather work with a rationalist with average intelligence than with a superstitionist with high intelligence. I have seen those superstitionalists crash and burn too many times over the years.
@ Ray:
Matt...Todd Friel could beat you intellectually without using 1/10th of his brain (he could beat me without using 1/100th, but you get the point). You are no match. Your view of yourself is embellished.
Ray, Can't you even give a straight answer to a simple question like "Does Todd Friel have a blog?"
Lance, I agree wholeheartedly. It would be much more difficult for Mr. Comfort to continue to misrepresent us if we stop giving him fuel.
Besides--I've heard Friel refer to you as 'brilliant'. Sorry, but that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in Mister Todd 'Freakishly Tall' Friel's powers of persuasion.
@Shiver
Since you love quoting all that scripture let me lay one on you...
That is a direct Quote of John chapter 8
44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Here is yuor quote as to what it says...
He is the Father of lies. John 8:44
His nature is falsehood! He only speaks the truth in order to deceive.
Nowhere in that quote does it say he speaks he truth in order to decieve, it does say that there is no truth in him and he is a liar.
I do not have a desire to go through the rest of your citations to prove the rest of them as wrong.
Try using the quotes in the context given and quote them accurately. Misquoting the bible is really low, especially for a Christian.
Ray's response to my question: (Why are there no a-sun-ists?)
Drew...No need for a "good" explanation because "atheists" don't exist (it is impossible for them to). See my book, "God Doesn't Believe in Atheists" (Bridge Logos Publishers).
The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God."
Okay, Ray, or any other Christian.
Why does no one profess to believe that the sun doesn't exist? Why does no one pretend there is no sun?
Wow Todd Friel an intellectual.
That is really a laugh. I did just check his website. And my the level of bigoted,concentrated stupid there. Check out his "Hands Down, the winner of the worst church sign award."
Why is it the worst? Please tell me why a quote from the Dalai Lama regarding kindness is so offensive. Please I really do want to know this.
So those that do not wish to go to the site it says;
Be Kind whenever possible, it is always possible.
What is so offensive about that ? Is it because he a Buddhist spirtual leadeer and it is on a Christian church? cannot a buddhist preach peace and kindness ? Or are those reserved solely for Christians ?
Please really tell me the rationale behind Todd Friel the intellectual giant making that a worst church sign.
That last comment really is funny. Not the obvious cuss word, but the "...I bet he's a Republican."
I will give it to the atheists that you guys crack me up over the non-serious issues. The name calling makes me giggle when it's creative.
The stuff that doesn't make me laugh is the utter blasphemy and disregard for eternity, but that's not what this post is about.
Keep up the good fight, Ray.
:)
What a laugh Ray - Blessed are those who are persecuted, for they shall see God. So what do you have to lose? Absolutely nothing but everything to gain :-) But those who mock you sure look like the fools' God writes about in His Word. However, they are prayed for that the Holy Spirit will reveal the Truth to them as well, for I was once as lost as them.
Okay, Linda, what you have done is COMPLETELY below the belt. Ray, is there any chance that you'd delete her comment? I doubt that you would allow an atheist to get away with that.
Linda, anybody who reads my entire blog will see that I was describing a DREAM that I had!
And yes, I did live in Iran. I lived there for 16 months when I was a little kid (I had my 4th and 5th birthdays there), as my dad had a job offer there (but then had to leave when the Revolution happened).
I will wholeheartedly admit that I have fond memories of the place. The people were friendly to us. I had Persian neighbors and friends.
Still, for you to mischaracterize me as some sort of Iran-lover is despicable on your part. I have nothing but contempt for the extremists who run that country. I am fond of many Persian people whom I knew personally though, and I won't apologize for that.
And yes, I am an English teacher. In my professional opinion there are two explanations for what you're doing:
1. You have reading comprehension problems - as you clearly missed the first sentence that stated that it was a dream.
2. You are deliberately lying in order to mischaracterize who I am in some futile attempt at character assasination.
I invite anybody to check out my blog(s) and see for themselves. I write about all sorts of stuff, from my creative writing to Shakespeare to atheism to beer to my cat! I do use the occasional curse word though, so if you're offended by that sort ot thing, you might want to steer away.
dale said... "I am not being facetious. This is one of thos passages that stopped me dead in my tracks:
Eccleseastes
I think the writer of this was alluding to evolution" 3:16-22
No it's not...
vs.17 appointed time of judgment(John 5:28,29)/divine retribution
vs.18,19 The ultimate fate of man and beast is to die. Solomon isn't looking at eternal destinies, but rather at what all earthly flesh shares in common.
vs.20 Gen 3:19, is alluded to in the broadest sense, ie all of living creation will die and go to the grave. Niether Heaven nor Hell is considered here.
vs.21 ref to the spirit, Man's breath or physical life appears on the surface to be little different than that of an animal. In reality, man's soul differs in that God has made it eternal. see vs. 11
vs.22 Once again death become the overshadowing reality.
For more on these topics see Gen 18
Romans 2:6-10, 2 Cor 5:10, 2 Thess 1:6-9
Notes from MacArthurs Study Bible
Ray Comfort said... "Matt...Todd Friel could beat you intellectually without using 1/10th of his brain (he could beat me without using 1/100th, but you get the point). You are no match. Your view of yourself is embellished."
He is rather smart, even though he does'nt get as much oxygen to the brain as us down here. ;b
Iago said... "I do not have a desire to go through the rest of your citations to prove the rest of them as wrong.
Try using the quotes in the context given and quote them accurately. Misquoting the bible is really low, especially for a Christian."
I didn't actually write the post in question, it was taken from the Desiring God web page written by John Piper. The "quotes" are not direct texts but summary statements of the verses, the actual address is given so the text can be read"IN CONTEXT".
And as for your reference text, Satan often uses the truth to pervert it in the mind. ie Jesus' temptation in the wilderness, Satan spoke rightly when he told Jesus to make stones into bread, Jesus could have and Satan knew it. Also Jesus could have jumped from the highest point of the temple and God could have easily saved Him, but it was not Jesus' time to perform such a miracle. Satan knew full well that Jesus came to reclaim the kingdoms of the earth by dying on the cross and taking back what Adam lost, but still Satan tried to twist the truth.
Be sure when you proof text, you don't contradict other scriptures. FYI
I am totally disgusted.
Linda...you are way out of line. Can you not read? The title of Lance's blog is "Blog 'O Dreams". Seems pretty clear to me that you will find just that on his site. Unbelievable!
Oh...and as if that's not bad enough, this is the comment that Linda leaves on Lance's blog:
"Why don't you go there and stay. Let them know your an American, so they can slice you up."
I'm sorry...is this a very Christian thing to say???????? This is one of the most hateful, hurtful things that I've ever heard. I'm absolutely sickened by this comment. Linda should be ashamed of herself.
Ray, I cannot believe that you are letting her comments stay on this board. I agree with Lance...there is NO WAY you would let an Athiest get away with posting something like this on your blog.
Unbelievable.
Linda:
I checked the site myself. Aside from the fact that he clearly states that it is a dream, there is also the matter of whom he would like to beat up. Care to tell everyone who that is? No? Then I will. In his dream he would like to beat up (and no one likes) the enforcers of the sharia (religious) law. That doesn't sound like he is supportive of the existing power in Iran.
Now, I ask you. Is it the case that christianity spreads only through force or deception? Because it seems rather interesting that the christians seem to be serving "the liar."
Lance:
I'm guessing Linda is another one of Terry Burton's multiple personalities. He likes to call anyone who disagrees with him a terrorist or a Nazi. Also their styles are remarkably similar.
Better to just ignore anything Linda, Terry Burton, Wild About the Gospel, and Man with a Badge post. The guy has problems and clearly isn't interested in having a dialogue. Better be on your toes for when he threatens you with an IRS audit.
Ray, it is a poor reflection on you that you continue to allow this to happen. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't tolerate it if the show was on the other foot.
Andrew Douglas said...
"Lance, I agree wholeheartedly. It would be much more difficult for Mr. Comfort to continue to misrepresent us if we stop giving him fuel."
I wouldn't be so sure of that, Andrew; for example - where did these particular quotes come from? Ray, as is his wont, hasn't provided any indication of his source(s) and I've had a look over Dale's blog (which was the one that VeraAndDoug were complaining about) and I can't find these comments on there. Are they rejected comments that Ray has blocked? Are they comments that Ray has overheard in the street when he's preaching? Are they from AN or some other website? None of us know, yet we're all merrily discussing them without any knowledge as to whether these are actual quotes, paraphrasings of actual quotes or just completely ficticious creations.
Matthew Wooller said... "Friel has some concepts so badly wrong, and many arguments so flimsily constructed, that I have to assume that this intelligent man is SEVERELY deluded and very well read in some trash 'thinking'.
Friel's obvious devotion to the thoughts and meanderings of 'doctors' and 'academics' who received qualifications from some very dubious establishments."
You really have absolutely no idea what your talking about. Somewhere alone in your life you heard someone use words in a sentence and you though you'd try it?
And as for the Doctors and Acedemics as you say receive their qualifications from "dubious" establishments, please. He usually quotes such people as Al mohler, MacArthur, Piper, and such, these are some of the most brilliant men alive today.
What a foolish post, Matthew.
I note still no answers on why the Dalai Lama quote is so offensive.
Anyone, anyone, Ray ?
"Why does no one profess to believe that the sun doesn't exist? Why does no one pretend there is no sun?"
Drew, ex-atheist answered this question in his posted stamped "May 4, 2008 12:50 PM":
"I’m sure if you pressed a Buddhist or Hindu they would technically be asunists, because they believe that the physical world is an illusion and not really he[re]. So in that case there are millions of asunists."
"I’m sure if you pressed a Buddhist or Hindu they would technically be asunists, because they believe that the physical world is an illusion and not really he[re]. So in that case there are millions of asunists."
But even Buddhists and Hindus admit that this is an illusion we all share. They acknowledge that everyone's senses perceive the sun in the same way. They don't deny that everyone senses the same illusion. They only deny that our senses are telling the truth.
The a-sun-ists in the analogy, like atheists, are fully convinced that anyone who claims to have seen the sun is fooling themselves, because no one, anywhere, has ever actually seen the sun or felt its warmth.
Atheists don't claim that they feel God, but that God is an illusion. They claim that they don't feel God, and they don't believe anyone else does either. A-sun-ists don't claim that the sun is an illusion, they claim that no one sees or feels the sun So Buddhists and Hindus are not a good parallel to a-sun-ists, as, again, they at least admit that all humans share the illusion of the sun.
Nor do they specifically deny the SUN, out of all other parts of reality, does not exist, instead they claim that ALL is an illusion. That is very different from denying one particular aspect of existence.
So my question for Christians is:
Why does no one deny that anyone's senses can perceive the sun?
To put it another way, why does no one say "everything that you see and feel as the sun can be fully explained by some other part of the universally observable physical world?"
Matthew Wooller said... "Your attempt to make me wet myself laughing came too close for err, comfort..."
You lack self control as well as rationality then?
/hug
Camport,
You said,
"I will give it to the atheists that you guys crack me up over the non-serious issues. The name calling makes me giggle when it's creative."
There is hope for you yet!
Thanks!
@Drew
You are trying to say that obviously no-one truly can deny the sun exists because we can all see it. So therefore, because we can't see God... he can't exist either!
That logic doesn't work because creation itself is evidence of a creator. That creator left us His word (which is plainly visible), when Jesus came to earth people saw Him also. We also have a conscience which lets you know when you have broken God's laws.
There is no real evidence to support evolution... and yet, you trust that theory. Believing in evolution is kind of like believing in something that isn't really there isn't it?
Lauren:
There is no real evidence to support evolution... and yet, you trust that theory. Believing in evolution is kind of like believing in something that isn't really there isn't it?
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
I suppose you would know that better than the National Academy of Sciences and every other leading scientific body the world over. What do you think evolutionary biologists spend their whole lives doing? Fabricating transitional fossils coverup for their wildly hedonistic lifestyles? You don't get published in scientific journals if you don't have any evidence to backup your claims.
There's plenty of evidence that supports evolutionary theory. We aren't hiding it. Please go learn about it.
This would be a good time for me to expose how the atheist/evolutionist, the Dawks, as they call themselves, run their web site. I wrote a post to the Richard Dawkins web site in their Atheist section to challenge atheism and entitled it The God of the Bible per weemaryanne's suggestion. I was immediately met with antagonism and fear and told that there would absolutely be no preaching. So I'm thinking, "Well, that would be what Doug does which is tell people that if they don't repent, they will inherit hell's fire."
So I was treading lightly and I was extremely careful not to do that. I told them that I would get back to them as quickly as I could but that I have a busy life and I can only handle the questions in the order in which they were received. Nevertheless, there was this constant whining about answering their questions.
So I got up to page 8 of reading the many challenges and was surprised at the fact that it is the same stuff I've been listening to for the last two years. -whew. One wonders if they are going to say something really tough and I didn't have anyone with me. I was all by myself. I mean Doug is always with me for sure and he gave me that last post about God being the best choice and what that means. To me though this phenomenon is remarkable because you see all these Christians that have fallen into this trap and wonder how they got there. The truth is that they never repented of sin and therefore, never knew God.
Anyway, each page includes no less than 10 posts. I never read up to the 16 pages or more that were actually there but these folks had all sorts of questions that I was answering about God and the Bible. Simple as that. I was answering their questions as I could get to them.
A man asked me to compare the god of the quran to the God of the Bible. So I did. I shared that Jesus died for us. Mohammed demands that we die for him. I shared that he was a pedophile and that Jesus was celibate. The man asked. I simply answered.
Within the hour, I got a private note telling me that this was the second time I was being warned to stop preaching. I told the moderator privately that I was answering the question. I was sent another letter with a reprimanding tone that told me that my thread was being moved and that I had two more chances to stop preaching. So I wrote the guy another private note and preached to him hell's fire warning him of what he was involved in. I said, "Here's some preaching." He susupended me from the list for "preaching" for a week. LOL I wrote him back, which I'm sure will get me banned. Isn't that remarkable in light of all the hate mail that Ray gets behind the scenes? How many atheists have you banned for "preaching" on this list, Ray?
Lest you think I am upset, I was rather encouraged that I made it as long as I did and that they were so scared of me that they couldn't wait to suspend me quick, fast in a hurry. It just lets me know that I'm not making this up because if there were no spiritual battle, there would be nothing for them to fear. The day I wrote in that post with the divine proportion was the day they began their crusade to get me out of there. Thank you, dale!
I think it is remarkable that atheists are welcomed to come to this list and other lists that I am on and share their thoughts when they do so civilly even to the point of being critical, nasty, sarcastic, demeaning, cruel and at times obnoxious. They are constantly trying to challenge our faith and make us look small. But a Christian cannot respectfully share their thoughts on an atheist board answering questions without being accused of preaching.
I wanted to expose who these people are to some of you because you have to see that they have an agenda and they don't want you to hear the truth. They don't want for you to debate about this on their turf and see the other side. You know why? Because they know there is a God and they know He is the God of the Bible. We allow you to sit here day after day after day after day and try to refute everything we believe and so far, you haven't. We know God, which is why we aren't afraid of you.
You need to ask the question, why? Why can't a Christian sit and answer questions on an atheist web site?
Amazing the hypocrisy. Like I said, they have become the very people they hate.
So how was that weemaryanne? I don't think it was even a week was it -checking my wristwatch- before I was suspended for preaching? :-) Ah, the ironies of life.
Vera
"My main ambition in life is to be on the Devil's most wanted list."
-- Leonard Ravenhill
hehe...
Vera:
Greetings and salutations!
Keep preaching to the Dawkobots, sister! May the light of Truth penetrate the dark clouds of their sinful hearts.
Invite the A's to my next BBQ! Coca-cola only.
In his love, Steve.
Ok, Vera, the "Dawks" is actually a running gag designed by those who specialise in absolutely nothing. Indeed, it's a play on the word "dork", we're labelling ourselves as intellectually lapsed.
We aren't entymologists or biologists, we're students or teachers or journalists, the scientific illiterate.
Secondly, there are prominent Christian Members on the board, Jerome is well liked and well recieved and he is an Anglican, he has made a total of 5000 posts and recieved at least in all the time I have been a member not a single warning or infraction, we have no problem with him because he doesn't preach, we actually urged him to stay when he was thinking of leaving because he was and still is a welcome member of the community. You aren't targeted because you're religious, you're targeted because you break the rules.
Verandoug:
One of the rules of the site to which you refer is "no preaching." It isn't entirely appropriate to ask how many people Ray has blocked for preaching, as it is not contrary to his rules. You might want to ask how many posts Ray has blocked for violating his rules even as he changes them.
Vera,
Someone on that forum asked one of the mods a few days ago about the preaching rule. This is what she said:
The only thing we are protecting is the ability of forum members to be able to debate and discuss without topics being continually dragged off topic by people coming here screaming at us that we are going to hell for not genuflecting before their particular dogma. There came a point where in some parts of the forum where it was becoming impossible to carry on a discussion. Think of it this way - you and a few others are having a discussion over a cup of coffee. All of a sudden the person at the table next to you starts screaming at all of you that you are immoral, full of hate, and going to hell. That is what it was getting to like in parts of the forum.
It seems the only thing you have been the victim of is coming along after they've had to deal with rude, hateful preachers who kept disrupting the forum. You may not have been rude or hateful, but you did break the rule.
Elaine
I suppose you would know that better than the National Academy of Sciences and every other leading scientific body the world over. What do you think evolutionary biologists spend their whole lives doing? Fabricating transitional fossils coverup for their wildly hedonistic lifestyles? You don't get published in scientific journals if you don't have any evidence to backup your claims.
Sure they do! It happens all the time. I just watched a guy last night on tv telling me he could tell me all about what happened to the people millions of years ago by scanning a few old tools into a computer. As if. Scientists merely view what they see and speculate how it came about. They have no proof that their theories are correct.
Vera, (and any other interested persons)I think you have misunderstood the intent of the mesage you received from the RDnet Mod--you have not been banned. You are on a 7 day suspension. You can return at the end of tha tperiod. As a matter of fact, there are many RDnet members eager to continue to engage you in the discussion. You have yet to respond to some questions. So, if your true intention was to debate and discuss you are welcome to continue as an active RDnet member. If you are only intending to preach, then of course RDnet is not the place for that. Like I already said in my post to you, if you should get banned, it will be due to your own actions. Very few discussion boards are willing to tolerate continued violations of their rules.
Oops, I forgot. My RDnet ID is Gallstones. I want to make sure vera knows who made the last post under CoyoteBarks.
Sure they do! It happens all the time. I just watched a guy last night on tv telling me he could tell me all about what happened to the people millions of years ago by scanning a few old tools into a computer. As if. Scientists merely view what they see and speculate how it came about. They have no proof that their theories are correct.
I'm guessing you didn't stick with your science classes for very long did you? From your profile it says you are a Christian artist. So please forgive me when I tell you it's obvious you don't understand what you are talking about when it comes to the science behind the theory of evolution. Multiple independent lines of evidence from varying scientific disciplines all point to it. There are mountains of evidence. Either your God set everything up to appear that life has evolved, or it actually did. Is your God a trickster?
Care to explain how endogenous retroviruses make sense in biblical creationism? The fusion of human chromosome 2? ,Tiktaalik?
Lauren, if you have not yet completed high school, then you need to hit the books.
Why do you assume that Christians are ignorant and uneducated? Just because we don't agree with evolution doesn't mean we haven't considered it as truth. We just rejected it, that's all.
Lauren wrote: "Why do you assume that Christians are ignorant and uneducated?"
Well... in your case... there really isn't any assumption about it. You have just told us.
For example...
Lauren wrote: "They have no proof that their theories are correct."
See. You don't even know what a theory is, or what a theory does. If you weren't scientifically ignorant (lacking in knowledge) you would know that.
Lauren wrote: "Just because we don't agree with evolution doesn't mean we haven't considered it as truth."
Scientists don't look at evolution as 'truth'... so why would YOU want to do that?
And... evolution isn't a matter of 'belief' anyway.
Look... it is an OBSERVED FACT that the genetic makeup of populations of organisms (the GENE POOL) changes, over time.
There is a WORD for 'changes, over time'... and that word is 'evolves'.
So... biological 'evolution' is the OBSERVED FACT that the genetic makeup of POPULATIONS of organisms (the GENE POOL) changes, over time (evolves).
See?... there is nothing to 'believe' or 'not believe' here. Biological evolution is an OBSERVED FACT.
Try to keep that word in mind... FACT. This is not something that is made up... it is not wishful thinking... it is not imaginary... it is observations of REALITY. The genetic makeup of populations of organisms (the GENE POOL) changes, over time. You can take that to the bank.
Now.. 'theories'...
In science, theories occupy a much higher level of importance that mere facts... and theories do not invent facts... theories EXPLAIN facts.
So... the 'Theory of Evolution' EXPLAINS the FACT of 'evolution'. It tells us HOW the genetic makeup of populations of organisms (the GENE POOL) changes, over time (evolves).
Now... here's the tricky part. It's not 'evolution' that you don't believe, or the 'Theory of Evolution' that you don't believe... it is the CARTOON version of evolution that you don't believe... the 'straw man' that was erected by your delusionist puppet-masters... and intentionally made to look stupid... in order to bamboozle their scientifically-ignorant constituency. That would be people like you... Ray Comfort... Kirk Cameron... and hundreds of millions more.
But here's the thing... the 'evolution' that you think is stupid IS, in fact, stupid... but it really has very little to do with the ACTUAL 'Theory of Evolution', and the FACT of biological evolution.
In your head, you have pictures of one kind of creature giving birth to another kind of creature... or a creature transforming itself into another kind of creature... or a creature that is half one thing and half something else. You have people like Cameron and Comfort TELLING YOU that's what scientists say... what they believe... what they think.
But... they are LYING to you. That is NOT what scientists say... believe... think.
Creatures DO NOT 'evolve'... and scientists DO NOT think they 'evolve'.
DNA DOES NOT 'evolve'... and scientists DO NOT think it 'evolves'.
One kind of creature DOES NOT transform itself into another kind of creature... and scientists DO NOT think that one kind of creature transform itself into another kind of creature.
One kind of creature DOES NOT give birth to another kind of creature... and scientists DO NOT think that one kind of creature gives birth to another kind of creature.
There IS NOT and NEVER HAS BEEN a creature that is half one thing, and half another kind of thing... and scientists DO NOT think that there has ever been a creature that is half one thing, and half another kind of thing.
So... they are lying to you... they have always been lying to you... but WHY?
Well... because religion is a BUSINESS... and it depends ENTIRELY upon having people like you BELIEVE that a certain myth is TRUE... because if you DON'T BELIEVE that the myth is true, you won't patronize their business. So... THAT means that they see KNOWLEDGE as their chief competitor... and their ENEMY. It also means that they have to PROTECT you from EXPOSURE to knowledge... which means that they must strive to KEEP YOU IGNORANT. They accomplish this through a process that we might think of as 'bamboozlement'.
It's part of the business model, you see.
Oh, yeah... so... what is it that 'evolves'?
Well... DNA does not evolve...
... organisms (creatures) (critters) (whatever) do not 'evolve...
... it is the GENE POOL... the genetic makeup of POPULATIONS of organisms... that evolves.
One hates to jump to conclusions but.... are you Religionisacrutch?
Ok, Vera, the "Dawks" is actually a running gag designed by those who specialise in absolutely nothing. Indeed, it's a play on the word "dork", we're labelling ourselves as intellectually lapsed.
We aren't entymologists or biologists, we're students or teachers or journalists, the scientific illiterate.
-snore- and this is supposed to be redeeming? This reminds me of Darwin's own inflated opinion of himself like these people are stupid and Dawkins is a genius. Knowing some scientific lingo and information and math does not make you any more special or smarter than anyone else. In God's estimation, He would say, "Claiming to be wise, they became fools."
Secondly, there are prominent Christian Members on the board, Jerome is well liked and well recieved and he is an Anglican, he has made a total of 5000 posts and recieved at least in all the time I have been a member not a single warning or infraction, we have no problem with him because he doesn't preach, we actually urged him to stay when he was thinking of leaving because he was and still is a welcome member of the community. You aren't targeted because you're religious, you're targeted because you break the rules.
Well that is a bit more encouraging. I am glad to hear that this guy is disturbed by having his hands tied. Nevertheless, a real Christian leads people to see that God is a God that hates sin and shows people the need for repentance.
The point is that on this board and several others that I am on, you are free to say whatever you wish to me. You can challenge me as you are doing here. You can accuse me which you are doing here. You can spout your atheistic rhetoric here. We love for you to so that we can show you the holes in what you believe.
I did nothing wrong on that board. A man asked me to differentiate between the God of the Bible and the god of the quran. I did. Then I wrote a private note showing the guy what it would look like if I were preaching. He didn't like that message.
Richard Dawkins wrote a book attacking the God of the Bible. It is a relevant debate to shoot down what he wrote in the exact same way you come here to do the same. I was extremely careful not to preach. I never once told any person there that they were on their way to hell's fire even though they are. I never once talked about anything pertaining to individuals but stuck with the topic of defending God with the exception of pointing out their duplicity. One guy criticized me, for example, for sharing something biblical when he is quoting lucifer from Black Sabbath. That is all. I answered all sorts of attacks on my character. Because the topic was cut short and questions were not answered, this has left them to pick apart what I said, which I can see when I peruse the site of course without any interference from me to defend anything I said.
Oh, and not only that, if I'm not mistaken, they've deleted the entire thread. They lied to me and said they moved it when in actuality, they completely either moved it to an entirely different web site or it is gone. Don't you see that claiming that someone is preaching when they're not is a ruse to censor the material so that the message never gets out except the one that Dawkin's preaches? And yes, under that definition, Richard Dawkins is a preacher.
That should send up warning flags, bells and alarms. All of your posts for the most part are still here except the ones that were found to be perverse.
When these people are telling you that they are interested in hearing the truth, they are liars. These people are Dawks, dorks who follow the Pied Piper just as you say. They are the simple minded, easy prey for this false prophet wolf in sheep's clothing who touts himself in superiority. And you buy it, defend it, and preach it hook line and sinker. Go fish. Why don't you step back and took a look at what's really happening!!
Oh, and I forgot to tell you that I don't quit. :-) I will get my last chance before I'm completely banned. These people do not scare me in the least. Their scare tactics, rejection, and criticism is yet another ruse and it does work on the dorks uh uh I mean the dawks but not those filled with the power of God in His grace.
Vera
Verandoug:
One of the rules of the site to which you refer is "no preaching." It isn't entirely appropriate to ask how many people Ray has blocked for preaching, as it is not contrary to his rules. You might want to ask how many posts Ray has blocked for violating his rules even as he changes them.
The point, Pvblivs is that Ray lets you share what you believe here. You have attacked us in all that we believe and we have welcomed your attacks to show you that what you believe is full of holes and deception.
The term "preaching" to them means anything pertaining to Jesus. The name of Jesus is forbidden on that site. I think that was what I got reprimanded for but more than that, I know what got them mad. I wrote to them what I thought an atheist was and I blew a hole through Richard Dawkins' agenda which is money. There is no other explanation. That was a great post too. I'm really sad that it's gone. I exposed how they had bought into the whole Star Trek mentality that one day science would be our redemption because we would find that we can now evolve to warp drive and all those mean evil religious fanatics will be proven wrong. I exposed this man so big and the stupidity of this ideology and they did not like it.
They are hypocrites and are no more interested in the truth than the man in the moon. They want a one sided ideology - Richard Dawkins so that lots of Dawks will buy his books and make him one dollar richer. After all, Richard Dawkins' character is not in question since in his own estimation, he can do whatever he deems right in his own eyes because he doesn't have to face a Holy God. It is only bad if you do have to face Him and he would be quick to point it out. He criticizes Christians for taking advantage of the simple when he does the exact same thing and they even prove it by their own labels. I am grateful to be able to expose who these people are.
They deleted the thread or I would prove it to you. Why do that? You really need to ask yourself the question, what are they afraid of? Why not leave the thread out there for everyone to make up their own minds? Why not welcome my challenges and give good straight forward answers and let me respond to those as well? Why are they afraid? Why attack God and not allow others to defend God?
Vera
Vera-
The thread "God of the Bible" that you started is still up in its entirety at Richard Dawkins site, where they eagerly wait your return. In case you have forgotten how to get there, it is located (as it always was)in the Faith & Religion directory, which is easily accessed from the main page of the site. I would be happy to email the link to you if it would be helpful.
marko99
Vera,
you said,
"I exposed this man so big and the stupidity of this ideology and they did not like it."
Actually you exposed nothing but your ignorance and delusional state of mind.
Get over yourself.........
Vera,
You are becoming a parody of yourself. Google, "Poe's Law."
The only thing we are protecting is the ability of forum members to be able to debate and discuss without topics being continually dragged off topic by people coming here screaming at us that we are going to hell for not genuflecting before their particular dogma. There came a point where in some parts of the forum where it was becoming impossible to carry on a discussion. Think of it this way - you and a few others are having a discussion over a cup of coffee. All of a sudden the person at the table next to you starts screaming at all of you that you are immoral, full of hate, and going to hell. That is what it was getting to like in parts of the forum.
It seems the only thing you have been the victim of is coming along after they've had to deal with rude, hateful preachers who kept disrupting the forum. You may not have been rude or hateful, but you did break the rule.
Elaine
Thanks, Elaine. Elaine means light. Such a neat name. My daughter's name is Eileen. Anyway, that was nice of you. I appreciate you taking the time to point this out.
Actually, I know what preaching is because if you look at our youtube stuff, you can see that my husband preaches the very things that you mention. See, hateful is a strong word to use. Doug uses his own resources to go to places where people are sinning and to preach a very strong message of repentance. It isn't easy to point out to someone that they are sinning. People don't like that message. They like to sin and they don't want to be warned of hell's fire. What they want is to hear that God loves them in their sin. They will at least tolerate that message. They really like the one that says that they can sin every day and at the end of the day be forgiven. So then they wake up one day and say, "Whoa. This dude in the OT is pretty tough on people. How can I reconcile that to this other one that forgives me at the end of the day? I am going to say that the God of the NT is going to be just a tad bit tougher on sin than the one in the OT for rejecting the gift of His Son that to Him was priceless. I wonder how many Christians God will hold accountable for telling these types that He loves them just as they are without repentance?
I believe in authority and so I was very careful to stay within their guidelines while at the same time explaining my position. I was extremely careful not to preach but to give counterpoint to their debate. I did show the nice moderator what real preaching is by preaching to him privately.
:-) That's when he suspended my account and deleted the thread.
Vera - Expelled (I couldn't resist)
Verandoug:
Well, if you give "Jesus says..." as a reason for anything, I consider it preaching. Ray has deleted quite a few of my comments on false pretextx. And I think it's about money for Ray as well.
Vera,
Your thread hasn't been deleted. It's in the Faith & Religion Forum which cannot be seen unless you are logged into the site. Discussion is still going on in the thread.
Elaine
@duckphup
Well thanks for telling me what I believe about evolution, but you are wrong about my beliefs and my thinking process.
The problem for me is not in the process of how animals exist now in the environment now, the problem for me is determining how the universe actually BEGAN. Science has no real facts on how the universe actually began. There are plenty of theories based on what people can see, but truly scientists have not discovered the origin of life. They may have thier ideas on how it began but they DO NOT have proof of how our universe came into existence in the beginning. To claim they do is ridiculous.
Vera, you sound so angry and bitter. It must be causing you to feel ill. Didn't Jesus say to love your enemies, to love your neighbor as yourself, to turn the other cheek? Didn't he say, "If you love me keep my comandments"? I'll find the verse for you if you need a refresher.
Lauren,
Evolution has nothing to say about how the universe began. That is a completely different branch of science. Nor does it have anything to say about HOW life began. That is yet another branch of science. Evolution only covers what happens after life begins.
Elaine
Verandoug,
You wrote:
" I was immediately met with antagonism and fear and told that there would absolutely be no preaching."
Here are the rules on preaching, as clearly set out in the post "VISITOR'S AGREEMENT ~ Please Read" in the "Welcome to New RDF Members":
"Preaching/proselytizing/witnessing
richarddawkins,net is a Forum for rational clear thinking. While it is good to debate and exchange different points of view, members should be able to use the board free from being preached at, bible bashed or told they are heading for damnation or any other religious superstitious supernatural threats. The forum exists for an exchange of views, not as a recruitment center for souls."
And what was your first post?
"Hi, my name is Vera. I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I would love to tell you that I hope to fix what's been done. But unless God intervenes in your personal lives, really, there is not a whole lot I can do and to be honest, God is not opening the eyes and ears of many in this camp."
You carried on in this vein for just under 1,000 words, mentioned your personal claims to have experienced God, quoted from the Bible, and finished with:
"Yet God will never reveal more truth about Himself to you, until you have obeyed what you know already. Beware of becoming one of the "wise and prudent." "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know . . ." (John 7:17 )."
Vera, you were preaching before the end of your first paragraph and never stopped. If this isn't preaching you must have a rather peculiar and oddly limited definition of the word.
You may not like the RDF rules, but they are clearly posted, and as a member you have the responsibility to obey them. To break them, complain about being pulled up for breach, only to then come here and brag about how wonderfully you were persecuted is a rather sad reflection on your character.
And for the umpteenth time, your post has *not* been deleted, it's still on page one of the Faith & Relgion Forum.
Perhaps you could stop blaming other people when you break the rules and take some responsibility for your actions. Here's a challenge: go back and try not breaking the rules.
I'm betting you can't. Please prove me wrong.
Lauren:
Elaine beat me to it, but I will echo her sentiments.
It seems you reject evolutionary theory because it can't answer the question of how life originated. It can't answer that question, and it doesn't even attempt to. Evolutionary theory only explains the diversification of life once it did originate. There is overwhelming evidence pointing to this. It isn't only atheists that accept this evidence.
Many theists think God created the first or first few lifeforms and then evolution took over from there. Darwin himself was one of them.
From The Origin of Species;
"There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.
Now that you realize evolution doesn't attempt to how the Universe began, and has no bearing on the existence of God, I hope you will examine the evidence a little more closely.
Vera, (and any other interested persons)I think you have misunderstood the intent of the mesage you received from the RDnet Mod--you have not been banned. You are on a 7 day suspension. You can return at the end of tha tperiod. As a matter of fact, there are many RDnet members eager to continue to engage you in the discussion. You have yet to respond to some questions. So, if your true intention was to debate and discuss you are welcome to continue as an active RDnet member. If you are only intending to preach, then of course RDnet is not the place for that. Like I already said in my post to you, if you should get banned, it will be due to your own actions. Very few discussion boards are willing to tolerate continued violations of their rules.
Thanks, Gallstones. This is the first chance I've had all day to type. Let me ask you a question. I had a creative thought. I do not believe I broke the rules. I answered a question. I was suspended for preaching to the moderator in a private email after he declared my second warning. I wasn't preaching. But I told him if he wanted to see some preaching, I would give him some preaching. That's when I got the suspension. Anyway, I would love to come back and I will. This was my idea. What if I post some of these more religious answers on my own blog and redirect them there? Do you think I will be banned for doing so? I can't think of any other way to answer these overt religious questions. I hate having one hand tied behind my back but I can handle it if that works. =8-/
Vera
But don't you see it? THAT's the reason I believe in God... Darwin himself points to the possibility of a creator, in fact in some places in his reason he says it would be absurd to think things like the human eye happened by chance.
It's not that I'm anti-athiest or blinded by "religion" I BELIEVE that their is something there that created life. And for me, I have no doubt it was what we call God.
Vera, if the Dawks didn't want the debate they would have shut you down days ago.
I know, I was so proud to make it four whole days. Wow. And how many days have you been here preaching anti-God and anti-all-that-we-believe rhetoric and nobody has stopped you, banned you, suspended your account etc.
You did a lot of preaching - "the bible sez this and Gawd sed that and we know 'cuz it's in the bible" and so on and on ad tedium extremis. And as they repeatedly pointed out to you, it's not like you're the first believer ever to visit there. They've heard it all before; they let you open the thread just to be polite, they made sure you knew the rules, then when you broke the rules they punished you.
I think sometimes that you don't listen. I doubt you have heard this message because I can't think of ten people that are preaching it. In fact, I know sometimes you don't listen.
But, I'm not a quitter. I will be back.
You're a big fan of punishment, IIRC. So you have nothing to complain about.
I know. I just love my daily dose of punishment. Makes me feel all special.
The truth is that I love you and I care. So I overlook what you say to get to the heart of the matter as I know most Christians here do as well. That is all. I don't take what you say to heart when you are purposely trying to hurt me or put me down because I know that you "know not what you do."
Vera
So... the 'Theory of Evolution' EXPLAINS the FACT of 'evolution'. It tells us HOW the genetic makeup of populations of organisms (the GENE POOL) changes, over time (evolves).
We know that. What we refute is the possibility of it happening without God intervening.
One very difficult area for evolution is an asexual organism like a microbe evolving into one with male and female. To produce a mate in this complicated way of exchanging genetic material is yet another example of something which is statistically off the charts. I have been listening, as I said, to these podcasts from Reasons to Believe. I thought that was an excellent point.
The other thing that they were talking about that was so intriguing was the backbone of the female in terms of carrying a baby. Apparently, when a woman is fully pregnant, her back tips back 20° due to a special structuring of the female vertebrae. Accordingly, if this was not like this, it would break the woman's back from too much pressure from carrying that weight. There were other problems as well. The title is "Why Pregnant Women Don't Topple." These are free.
Vera
Lauren:
But don't you see it? THAT's the reason I believe in God... Darwin himself points to the possibility of a creator, in fact in some places in his reason he says it would be absurd to think things like the human eye happened by chance.
It's not that I'm anti-athiest or blinded by "religion" I BELIEVE that their is something there that created life. And for me, I have no doubt it was what we call God.
That's my point. It's perfectly fine with me if you want to believe in God. You said you rejected evolution because it didn't explain the origin of life, which you think God had to be responsible for. We were just pointing out that you can believe that God created life at some point and still accept the evidence that life has evolved from that whatever point that may have been. Evolution != atheism.
You can believe in both God and evolution. You just can't believe that Genesis is actual history and that the earth is only 6000 years old. The science says otherwise.
You can believe in both God and evolution. You just can't believe that Genesis is actual history and that the earth is only 6000 years old. The science says otherwise.
The funny thing is that not ALL scientists agree with you.
All I was saying was that either the earth is flat, and the bible is correct, or the earth is round, and the bible is incorect, i'm going to study the issue more and deside for myself which route I want to take. Either Atheist evolutionist, who agrees with all of mainstream sciences, or flat earth litteral bible believer.
I'm leaning toward being an atheist, because if I can't believe the bible to be completly litteraly true, then I can't believe Jesus when he speaks about heaven, etc..
That would make the moon landing a fake, and pretty much all of modern science false..."
Poe's Law to dale,
Think about it more this way. There is truth in nature. There is truth in the Holy Spirit and Scripture. There is truth in the blood. The third is a bit complicated to explain for now.
Science makes mistakes. The truth that they know and observe is our natural world. You would think that just by looking at something, even up close, you could figure it out quickly. Unfortunately, that is not always the case and when man makes a mistake in the scientific realm, it is usually because they didn't take ALL the facts into consideration. They had a "partial" truth. Would you agree?
LIke I said, my children and I have been studying earthquakes. We watched this documentary called Mega Disasters on iTunes on New York. I went back to listen so that I could relate it as it was said.
Dr. Klaus Jacobs who is presenting the information was talking about a part of the subway that is above ground that actually goes directly over one of the fault lines. The bridge is a marker for the fault and the reason it is above ground is because the designers didn't want to go through the fault. The "scientists" aka engineers that designed it thought that the movement would be best moving in a vertical direction. The mechanism looks to me like a circular hinge. However the fault is moving in a horizontal direction. Now we have new information, more detailed information and so he said that when the earthquake hits (because it is an inevitable eventuality) that bridge is going to collapse because they should have designed it to move horizontally and vertically almost like a ball in socket joint. Now, when that bridge collapses, many people could potentially die because science made a mistake. Science looked at the data, but missed some of the pieces in nature that would have been important to their design. According to this man, some scientists and engineers have been working on this problem for 10 years. Nevertheless, he demonstrates that this problem still exists.
The Bible is the source of spiritual truth. It works the exact same way. We can understand man and how he is motivated and reacts and how to solve the evils of man from that Book and through knowing God through His Spirit. Unfortunately, we will not know anything until we are freed from sin. Until we are set free, we know nothing even though we think we know. Men with charisma have pretended to know God and then been exposed. We know by their fruits that they do not know God and their teaching is filled with holes.
I can make an observation or ask a question about God and man. If I miss even one piece of that particular truth, it will skew all that I discover and my ultimate conclusion. For example, some theologians believe that man is born in an evil state. If we take the Scriptures these are based on and leave out all the balancing truth, we can come up with a misunderstanding about that particular truth. If we take one single line of text and dismiss all the other text, we also come up with partial truth. We then build on it (in much the same way science built that bridge) until eventually our "bridge collapses" under the stress of something unexpected.
Then people judge and say, "This whole thing is a sham." Yet, the truth was there all along. It was simply dismissed.
Let me give you one example of how that particular truth has played out in every day life. Christian child experts, assuming that man is born evil, look at our children and their actions as inherently evil. Even when our children appear to be making wise choices, we dismiss this as perhaps partially good but inside they are really evil. So we give a command and our child appears to disobey. Perhaps the child sees something else that we do not and because of that makes a choice. We need discernment, not rules of engagement for that reason.
We may even conclude that to get this problem under control at an early age, we can train our babies in much the same way we train a dog by using rewards and swats. You say that this is ridiculous because you stand back and can clearly observe that a baby is innocent. I would agree. Common sense tells us that this is a ludicrous teaching. The Bible agrees. So then going back and checking out the truths that this teaching is built on, one can clearly observe that what I said above is true. Knowing that some of these foundational truths that the church has built on that are not consistent with Scripture has helped me more than I can tell you. It is like pulling the plug and the whole thing suddenly fits.
The Bible is not a book about natural science. It is a book about the inner workings of man and the characteristics of God and His solution to the sin problems of man. The scientific facts in the Bible are there to help us understand those truths. But those truths cannot be unlocked without the scientific data that matches them. I hope you understand this. Apart from the truth of science in nature, we do not understand the truth that God is trying to convey with that fact in nature.
To suggest that these things came about supernaturally and what we observe in nature is false is to call God a liar. Just because we misunderstood the text does not mean the text is wrong. It means we misunderstood the data because we didn't have all the facts in much the same way they constructed that bridge improperly. There are consequences to both.
The frustrating part of it is that most men will not backtrack and admit they are wrong. They forge ahead mostly because so much money is at stake. If Richard Dawkins is wrong in his book the God Delusion, which he is, then many people will believe they can sin up a storm because there is no eternal consequence. We begin to see the consequences of his book. He admits that it might not be true. But he can't ultimately admit defeat because then all his millions that he has gotten would be unfair gain. Yet he is no different than a YEC that dismisses the facts of nature as though God set things up to test in a way that would confuse us. Both stances are ridiculous.
Vera
The thread "God of the Bible" that you started is still up in its entirety at Richard Dawkins site, where they eagerly wait your return. In case you have forgotten how to get there, it is located (as it always was)in the Faith & Religion directory, which is easily accessed from the main page of the site. I would be happy to email the link to you if it would be helpful.
Thanks, Mark.
If these links do not work, I will take you up on your offer. Not that this would be you, but I kind of like having email free of porn. I have seen some Christian web sites hit with porn for malicious purposes. My children could potentially get one of these. It has happened. So that is why my email address is not up on my blog site. Thanks for letting me know!
Vera
Vera, you sound so angry and bitter. It must be causing you to feel ill. Didn't Jesus say to love your enemies, to love your neighbor as yourself, to turn the other cheek? Didn't he say, "If you love me keep my comandments"? I'll find the verse for you if you need a refresher.
Well, be assured that I'm not. I wouldn't spend my free time talking to you if I were angry and bitter. I am, at times, angry at the way sinners and evil men draw in the unsuspecting and simpleminded. Yes, that makes me mad. Definitely. Sin makes me angry. Definitely. I hate it! So I'm angry and sin not.
Didn't Jesus say to love your enemies, to love your neighbor as yourself, to turn the other cheek?
Context.
I do love you. Love is not what you think it is. Does a loving parent correct their child? Does a loving parent let every offense slide because they "love their child?" I would say the latter is a very unloving parent. Please do not point out that I'm not your parent. I am saying that rebuke is love.
Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Turning the other cheek has to do with authority - one of the many missing pieces of the pie for the atheist/evolutionist. If you apply that admonition to every single situation, you once again, miss the mark. We are not under the Law but grace being led of the Spirit.
Vera
"Preaching/proselytizing/witnessing
richarddawkins,net is a Forum for rational clear thinking. While it is good to debate and exchange different points of view, members should be able to use the board free from being preached at, bible bashed or told they are heading for damnation or any other religious superstitious supernatural threats. The forum exists for an exchange of views, not as a recruitment center for souls."
I read the rules, Brian. The man asked me to contrast the god of the quran to the God of the Bible. I in no way did any of this as mentioned above. I simply gave him the contrasting elements of the two.
Vera, you were preaching before the end of your first paragraph and never stopped. If this isn't preaching you must have a rather peculiar and oddly limited definition of the word.
At that time, I had not seen that rule. Nevertheless, I assumed that once Richard Dawkins stepped into the spiritual arena, his thoughts and ideologies were up for debate and counterpoint. I assumed that perhaps that he is interested in hearing other people's perspectives.
The moderators believe that they keep their audience free from these above mentioned things. What they actually keep people free from is anyone with a different opinion than what they are teaching which is anti-Christ. It is a censored biased list. Pure and simple.
You may not like the RDF rules, but they are clearly posted, and as a member you have the responsibility to obey them.
I agree
To break them, complain about being pulled up for breach, only to then come here and brag about how wonderfully you were persecuted is a rather sad reflection on your character.
I did not break their rules.
When I mentioned I couldn't find the thread, I did say that it was supposed to be moved but I couldn't find it not even when I did a search for my username. I am sure you are telling the truth however.
Vera
It seems you reject evolutionary theory because it can't answer the question of how life originated. It can't answer that question, and it doesn't even attempt to. Evolutionary theory only explains the diversification of life once it did originate. There is overwhelming evidence pointing to this. It isn't only atheists that accept this evidence.
I have been doing so much investigating about these things. You know what I discovered? I found out that raindrops do not have dirt particles only but bacteria and that without that bacteria, the raindrop would not form and fall. I thought that was so interesting. So then for example, one could not have an atmosphere of moisture like we do without pseudomonas. Isn't that cool?
Vera
You can believe in both God and evolution. You just can't believe that Genesis is actual history and that the earth is only 6000 years old. The science says otherwise.
Rando,
After careful investigation, it has become clear that Genesis does not say that.
Vera
Hi, Vera,
Remember me? I'm the one you accused of having less than half a brain in the discussion on RDnet (you haven't answered any of my questions, though).
Just wanted to stop by and tell you that I am (and probably I can speak for the rest of us) waiting for your return.
You see, what happened was that you rode in on your high horse of superior morality, assuming that we are spoilt some way, and you have to "re-educate" us; you were being condescending in your trying to "reeducate" us so that we "will understand some of the pieces that do not fit" our understanding. Then you went on to painting yourself into a corner with no way out with every post you wrote. You never replied to the questions that would force you to concede anything that challenges what you believe (which I think is your own caricature of Christianity, and not the beliefs of decent Christians). As soon as the going got tough, and you realized that you have dug yourself into a deep hole, you decided to use "forum-admin-assisted-suicide" by making sure you got suspended for deliberately breaking the forum rules (I thought that suicide would be against your morals?).
So now we are waiting for your "second coming". It seems that the main course for you were your own words that you were made to eat, and we wouldn't want you to miss your desert (could this be humble-pie?). Your own arguments were turned against you, and instead of mustering any answer at all, you bailed out and came over here to boast with victory. Time to come back to RDnet to walk the walk.
I for one think that you owe us a couple of things, hence me waiting for your return.
Firstly, your ignorant stereotype of what we believe was corrected several times - you never acknowledged taking receipt of these corrections, let alone changing your mind. You don't get to tell me what I believe.
We are still waiting for the critically robust evidence that you failed to provide, despite your promise to do so. You routinely fail to reply to questions that demonstrate your scientific ignorance.
You also wrote some morally outrageous stuff. I think you should come back and repair the damage you have done to Christianity by claiming the followings as a Christian:
1. Condoning suffering: the little girl with cancer (brought up by you) is supposed to have cancer (according to you) - she is supposed to suffer (according to you), her family is supposed to suffer (according to you) so that others "can be better persons". You demonstrate lack of empathy for the girl and her family (and to a baby with anencephaly and its family in a later post). I dare you to walk up to those children and tell them that her suffering is necessary and justified, or try saying the same thing to her mother.
2. You evidently show double standards (hypocrisy) or contradict your own words:
- You say "I put very little trust in man because a man is a liar for the most part. Man will say anything to get his way at times. For example, man vill lie, make false claims, say things as absolute to make people believe they [sic] way he believes." At the same time you fail to apply the same logic to the people (in an other post you explicitly write that the Bible was written by common ordinary people) who told you everything you believe.
- You accuse others of doing what they think is right, while you yourself keep doing what you think is right.
- You accuse others of not listening to teaching (nobody asked you to educate us, btw) yet you don't show any sign of taking to your heart (or rather mind) all the things you are being taught to you.
- Despite being in favor of suffering as a force to make us a better person, you seem be upset at the fact that your daughter was in distress in a particular situation. Either there should than be no suffering, or there should be, but in that case (according to your own logic) you are rejecting the opportunity for you, your daughter and the whole of mankind to be better persons through your daughters anguish. (To make it clear: I don't think anybody at all should suffer, not your daughter, not anybody at all.)
- You are berating the wife of the Austrian guy (who raped his daughter) for allowing her husband to rape their daughter. But you said yourself (see point 5 below) that women are not in charge over men!
- You accuse us of not looking at your "text in light of what is going on" yet you refuse to look at what we are saying in the light of what is going on. You yourself don't do what you preach by not even trying to adopt the opposing parties arguments.
- You write that "under my understanding every single life is precious and important and has meaning and value no matter who they are or what they do", which directly contradicts your idea about the righteousness of "mercy killing women and children" and the lynching of the Austrian guy (see below).
3. You downright lie:
- "...one can preach about satan here, make quotes from satan, but one cannot quote God". Preaching in general is not allowed, regardless of the color, shape and size of a supernatural entity. Also, belief in satan requires belief in supernatural, but the point is that we don't believe it in any shape or form.
- You attribute to atheists things they don't do: that we blame God for anything. We don't since we don't believe that God exists, thus we cannot blame him even if we wanted to. By this you also imply that atheists are intellectually dishonest in this respect (you were told that this is not the case), and you never apologized for your blatantly ignorant sweeping generalization of your silly idea of what an atheist is.
- You claim that our aim is "to get rid of religion", which is a blatant lie.
4. You demonstrate lync-mob mentality and morals when you condone genocide arguing that "would it be so horrible to put them out of their misery for mercy's sake?" and "you want to take someone like that and string them up the nearest tree". This is a sickening disregard of basic moral and legal principles such as due process and presumed innocence until proven guilty.
You write that it "was so neat" that "God's mercy killed these women and children". I for one (and the others on the thread, too) find this sort of morality sickening.
5. You demonstrate misogyny (despite you being a woman) by submitting your disagreement with a church service to your husband to represent it, basically agreeing to men's superiority over you because you are a woman, and write that you "don't believe in women holding positions of leadership over men" and that the "last word in a church setting should not be a woman because women do not have that logic that men have" (do women have the same logic as men in non-church related affairs?) and that "if she is saying something off base, then the husband should stop her from talking in the first place... I respect my husband's authority". That is sick, too. Women's rights?
6. As soon as your ignorant ranting and moral perversion were being shredded to pieces, you went on to name-calling: referring to us as monkey-men and to me as having less than half a brain. All this instead of responding to the questions or defending your stance.
I think that you have damaged the image of Christianity, by presenting your views as Christianity. As far as I know, this is not what Christianity is about. You have shown yourself to be a misogynist, lyncher and hypocrite, as well as guilty of sinful pride. Come back to RDnet and practice what you preach: repent from these sins. We are eagerly awaiting your return. Some of us were missing you so much that in the meantime we even looked up videos of your husband harassing complete strangers just to hear your approving voice in the background.
All the best,
QuickEye
My goodness, Quickeye, I haven't been there in a few days and you are assuming that I split? I didn't. The circumstances of my not being there were not of my doing, trust me. I am dreading coming back to the huge amount of posts that will, no doubt, take me a while to get through. I had hoped to go through them as I could get to them, but if there are 50 pages or more of text, it will take me a while to get through it all. If I am fully banned, I am here on this blog and I know that I speak for everyone that you are welcome to hit me here with your challenges.
Let me tell you a little about me and then you will understand why things appear the way they do. I am a mom of 6 children and extremely busy. But in the evenings, I share with people online that are in a position to be shared with. Sometimes, when my children are doing seat-work, I share as well.
Richard Dawkins wrote a book claiming that God is a delusion attacking the God of the Bible making millions of dollars off of that attack. I bet that confirmed to him that he did the right thing. :-P I will stand my ground in defending a Holy Righteous God against that uncircumcised Philistine who dares to defy the armies of the Living God.
I would much rather have been steady-as-she-goes than to have to come back to so many posts that the more I respond, the more they build up to where I can't keep up. It was bad enough when I was on page 8 and the thread was at 16. It isn't that I don't have answers. I just can't get to them fast enough. I am not a stranger to Internet blogs and message boards and trust me, this is not what I wanted.
I am trying to think of a creative way to avoid the preaching clause like say putting posts on my own blog with a big red warning sticker, "Read at your own risk, preaching included."
You demonstrate misogyny
Hello. That was you, not me. I said many good things about women and how God opened the doors for women to speak in the church. It was you that was condemning women. I wanted to write a post on authority but I never got the chance.
you went on to name-calling: referring to us as monkey-men and to me as having less than half a brain. All this instead of responding to the questions or defending your stance.
Isn't that what you are? Are you a monkey man or a man superior created in the image of God?
I said that sin and God cannot coexist.
I see that you recall doing this to me. Perhaps you are personifying yourself on me because I do not use name calling to win arguments. I simply tell the truth. If I said that, it wasn't to win an argument. It is to point out the facts and reality of what you believe.
Remember me? I'm the one you accused of having less than half a brain in the discussion on RDnet (you haven't answered any of my questions, though).
Also you said:
You see, what happened was that you rode in on your high horse of superior morality, assuming that we are spoilt some way, and you have to "re-educate" us; you were being condescending in your trying to "reeducate" us so that we "will understand some of the pieces that do not fit" our understanding.
You don't understand or you wouldn't crucify the Lord of Glory. The high horse of morality that is afforded to me comes in His power, not my own through faith. I was a sinner. I am now set free. His power comes in my own weakness. That power is available to everyone including you. I am not special and God does not respect me more than you. He is not willing that any should perish.
I'll be back. Somehow, by God's grace, I will with a little slingshot and a few stones against your mighty giant.
Vera
PS. Suffering is too long of a post for this letter. Nevertheless, you totally missed the point. More later......
Science also can't disprove that I have a clan of leprechauns living under my kitchen sink, and for the same reason: There ain't nuthin' there, not even if I choose to pretend that there is.
I can't decide which is worse -- your placid acceptance of such twaddle or your expecting others to accept it (because hey, even if it's not true, it's good for 'em.)
A leprechaun and God Almighty are two completely different beings. If the acts of the leprechaun were repeatable, we would say that it is probably true. Doesn't the leprechaun give a pot of gold or something like that? So if enough people received a mysterious pot of gold, we might say that although we don't know what the leprechaun looks like, we know that he is real.
The probability of life evolving here is less than 1 chance in 10^182. There are so many parameters that would be involved in such a process to come together. In God's estimation, there is enough proof of the invisible in the things that are made so that you are without excuse. I have my proof. Every time you call me a fool it is one. But really, my greatest proof is that my conscience is clear thanks to the powerful work of the Holy Spirit.
Vera
Hi Vera,
Thanks for taking time to respond!
Firstly I'm utterly surprised and appalled that you don't even bother to make a case against the accusations (and demonstration) of your hypocritical double-standards, your misogyny, genocide- and suffering-condoning, your lack of empathy and lynch-mob mentality! Do you mean that you don't even wince at being accused of (and presented evidence for) such lowly morality?????
Vera wrote on 06 May 2008 10:18: "Within the hour, I got a private note telling me that this was the second time I was being warned to stop preaching. I told the moderator privately that I was answering the question. I was sent another letter with a reprimanding tone that told me that my thread was being moved and that I had two more chances to stop preaching. So I wrote the guy another private note and preached to him hell's fire warning him of what he was involved in. I said, "Here's some preaching." He susupended me from the list for "preaching" for a week. LOL I wrote him back, which I'm sure will get me banned.
So you are warned of the consequences of your continued preaching, and having taken delivery of that notice you go right ahead and do exactly what will get you reprimanded. And then you do some more trying to make sure you are banned.
Vera wrote on 12 May 2008 9:21: "The circumstances of my not being there were not of my doing, trust me."
This is you contradicting your own previous statement. On what basis should I trust someone who contradicts herself directly and evidently within a week? You are kidding, right?
Vera wrote on 12 May 2008 9:21: "I would much rather have been steady-as-she-goes than to have to come back to so many posts that the more I respond, the more they build up to where I can't keep up."
But you don't get to set the rules. If you are going slow with your catching-up, than you can do one batch and note the last post you read, and continue from there the next time. Since you evidently skipped questions, you were not observing your own rules. By respecting the rules of the forum and your own rules you could have established our respect for you.
Vera: "I am trying to think of a creative way to avoid the preaching"
I think that would be called "having a thought of your own", but I might be mistaken...
Misogyny: I supplied direct quotes from you showing your derogatory view of women, so don't even think about trying to spin it the other way around. This exposes your hypocrisy even more (and you don't even seem to notice). If you feel I was condemning women, than present the evidence for it (try to read the posts on RDnet and copy the relevant ones before you commit suicide again).
The thing is, we all are monkey-men or we are all created in the image of God. You write: "I'm not special and God does not respect me more than you". So even you are saying that you and I are alike and making a differentiation between yourself and others along these lines is yet another laughable contradicting of your own words and serves the only purpose of you posturing to be in any way better than us. You like your reflection in the mirror much? Isn't vanity a sin? Isn't pride a sin? (Repent.)
Vera: "I see that you recall doing this to me. Perhaps you are personifying yourself on me because I do not use name calling to win arguments. I simply tell the truth. If I said that, it wasn't to win an argument. It is to point out the facts and reality of what you believe."
I don't recall me doing this to you, as it was the other way around.
"Personifying"? Perhaps you mean "projecting" (defense mechanism in which one attributes one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions to others - definition from wikipedia)? You were doing the name-calling, not me. You fail. Try again.
You didn't win any arguments.
You never listed evidence of the "facts".
And you were told several times that we don't believe the ignorant concoctions of your fantasy you think we believe and stop misrepresenting us. Again: you don't get to tell me what I believe. You can ask me what I believe and I shall re-educate you on my beliefs. You seem in desperate need of that.
Vera: "The high horse of morality that is afforded to me comes in His power, not my own through faith."
God affords moral high horse to a demonstrably and evidently misogynistic woman with tendency to lynch and no empathy to others? You have got to be kidding...
The same God who doesn't respect you more than me (as you write) makes you morally superior to me? Yet again you contradict yourself, within the same post. That sure shows your prowess in building a solid argument! (<- this is called irony)
Vera: "I'll be back. Somehow, by God's grace, I will with a little slingshot and a few stones against your mighty giant."
Some more ridiculous posturing.
You will be back by the grace of the forum rules as your temporary ban expires. No God needed for that.
There are no giants here, only people. Are you afraid of us this much? Nobody is against you personally, only your laughable vapor of arguments of your appalling morality is being shredded.
Take care,
QuickEye
You just can't believe that Genesis is actual history and that the earth is only 6000 years old.
Lauren,
I put a link on my blog entitled Does Old-Earth Creationism Contradict Genesis 1? Genesis 1 upholds the truth. Man misunderstood.
Vera
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