A group known as “asunists” have produced a manifesto explaining why they believe that the sun doesn’t exist:
1. An entire desert tribe of men, women and children were once killed by the sun. Therefore the sun doesn’t exist.
2. Intelligent scientists have searched the night sky for the sun, and found no evidence for its existence.
3. They also entered a pitch-black room and studied a book about the sun. Again, they found no empirical evidence.
4. Beliefs were confirmed by interviewing members of the Braille Institute.
5. The millions who testified that they have seen a brilliant ball of fire in the sky are unscientific dimwitted liars.
The asunists continue to hold their meetings in a dark room and tell each other that it is intelligent to believe that the sun doesn’t exist.
Saturday, May 3, 2008
The A-sun-ists Headquarters
51 comments:
I loved your post, Ray. You have a great imagination. Keep up the good work.
Ouch. Brain hurts. The cognitive dissonance - it burns.
Oh, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray.
The trillions and trillions of things that make up the universe all just happened on their own? Why did they happen? Why did they need to happen?Why did they want to happen? What is their purpose for happening? What decided they needed to happen?
The evolutionist MUST apply the logic of absolute randomness to every single element in the universe.
It is incredulous that all we can see has it's origins in total randomeness.
Good post
The Lord Jesus truely was correct, "You do not believe me when I tell you about the things of this world; how will you ever believe me, then, when I tell you about the things of heaven?" (John 3:12)
The asunists will never be able to see in this life unless they come to the Lord Jesus as these: Jesus left that place, and as he walked along, two blind men started following him. "Have mercy on us, Son of David!" they shouted.
(Matthew 9:27)
I'm glad they keep coming. There's always hope.
Godless people are like those reeds; their hope is gone, once God is forgotten. They trust a thread---a spider's web. If they lean on a web, will it hold them up? If they grab for a thread, will it help them stand?" Evil people sprout like weeds in the sun, like weeds that spread all through the garden. Their roots wrap around the stones and hold fast to every rock. But then pull them up--- no one will ever know they were there. (Job 8:13-18)
Why why why? Why is "why not" never asked? Ray, you have unwittingly parodied the Intelligent Design/Creationism movement.
Wow.
HJ
I could feel my brain trying to escape from my skull because of the sheer concentrated stupidity of that entry.
Some more "encouragement".
At work the other day, I was having a pleasant talk/witnessing encounter with a non-believing co-worker. No big deal,just a nice encouraging conversation.In walk another co-worker who is not saved but someone I would consider a good friend.When this fellow heard what we were discussing he looked at the first co-worker and said "don't believe any of that #%@!" and walked out.
Not hardly persecution but it was hurtful.
Hahaha. This has to be one of the best posts ever in the history of the Internet.
Of course what you "athiests" don't get is what Ray is saying here. He's saying by use of sarcasm that the Sun-Gods don't exist and never did. Also do not search the Internet for Sun of God, winter solstice, Mithras nor Horus.
John's series The Battle for the Beginning points out
many inconsistencies in the theory of evolution.
So why do so many believe in it? What is the real reason?
The explosion in scientific exploration is revealing more about our universe than we've ever known. And with the evidence clearly "telling out the glory of God" (Psalm 19:1), we ought to be more certain than any of our forebears about the infinite power and wisdom of the Creator.
Science has uncovered whole wondrous worlds in nature that previous generations never knew existed. The more we see of creation, the more it reveals the order and the wisdom and the goodness of the One who designed it all and spoke it into existence.
But at the same time science is learning all of this, scientific theory is becoming increasingly atheistic. Incredibly, as the power, sophistication, and harmony of the universe come more and more to light, many modern scientists try all the more desperately to explain away the notion of a divine Creator who rules the universe. Why? Why do they suppose such an ordered, systematic creation is the result of mere chance?
Scripture has the answer. Romans one informs us that unbelievers will devise systems of thought to suppress the truth about God from their consciences.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools (Romans 1:18-22).
When men and women refuse God, they become enslaved to sin, enveloped in darkness, entrapped by futility. Forsaking God, they forsake truth, light, and eternal life. And so evolutionary atheism is nothing more than a product of their futile speculation, a weak attempt to deafen the din of an accusing conscience.
From John MacArthur's web page at Gract to You, Questions and answers.
Thanks for the satire of ID!
Great post Ray!! I can see the atheists aren't supporting that view so far.
Rufus apparently likes to type your name a lot. Maybe a ray of light from the Son will shine through his darkness and lead him to understanding. ?? I'm praying for it!!
@ David, keep on keeping on...
That hostility you encountered is unfortunate, but you keeping your peace is very commendable. It may be the very thing that speaks to this person about the indwelling of the Spirit in you and may open up the door for future evangelical conversations with them.
Peace and Blessings,
Michelle :)
@ Rufus
That is the most intelligent thing you have said in a long time! :)
"Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, ..etc."
Just Joking brother! I do enjoy debating the issues with you. Praying for the puns to go away!
Hope you feel better. Love Ya!
@ Ray
I do enjoy the way you give us a post that is thought provoking & is driving a point from the very start. The IGNORANCE of mankind.
I agree with David in so many ways. Our universe is so vast! We haven't scratched the surface on how many stars, and galaxies are out there. Hubble gave us more images, but still there is so much more.
I say it is UNLIMITED. No end!
Here is my theory on it. God has no beginning, no end. Therefore, He has always been creating in different dimensions & realms.
The Bible touches on it, try bibledesk.com
The Bible speaks of creatures around His throne that are fantastic. Let's not forget the angels, and the heavenly hosts.
We are so ignorant, and our God is so Great! Our minds are too puny to understand it.
"The fear of the Lord is ...the beginning of knowledge"
The sun does make a good illustration for God. The sun is the most "obvious" thing you notice when you go outside on a clear day, but to look directly at it for more than a few seconds is painful. God is even more obvious than the sun but to see God in truth is even more painful because His light shines into the darkness of the human soul - and for an unbeliever that is a frightening thought - something that pride does not allow.
Ephphatha
@ David
"and said "don't believe any of that #%@!" and walked out."
Brother, I had something very similar when I worked in USN.
In my opinion, it seems to be a reflex comment from someone that is very sinful. They try to kill the witnessing your doing. The evil from within them comes out.
Thanks for sharing. It was a blessing.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, in whose case the god of this world [satan] has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
Terry Burton et al:
This is all I have to say to you;
From your post on 5/1 at 12:39 P.M.
The atheist religion is now on the "Watch List" for Dept of Homeland Security (DHS). "That is not classified information."
From you post on 5/1 at 8;56 P.M.
"No, its not on the public website." You have no way to verify it Groucho, but if you get a job with them, you might hear it thru "scuttle butt". Understand?
Get your lies straight, then address me.
@ David,
I just remembered something from my days in the Navy. I know Christians can relate to this.
I was onboard a frigate as a counselor, sharing an office with the command master chief. He out ranked me, so he called the shots in the space.
I kept a Bible in my desk, so I could read it while underway. One day, I got in a rush and I left it on the corner of my desk.
The Master Chief came in with the XO, The second in command. He was a atheist. He was enraged! Is this yours ? Yes sir it is. Why is it in here? I use it as a reference in my work. "What?" I tried to explained it helped me in counseling the crew.
He did not buy it at that time. I stowed it away in my rack. I prayed about it alot, as we were working 14 to 16 hour days.
An answer came a few days later. The XO brought me someone and said he is our unofficial chaplain onboard. He can talk to you about your situation. My jaw dropped.
The Master Chief told me it was OK to bring the Bible back into the space. This same man was a full blown alcoholic and cursed every other word !
Talk about an answer to prayer. I will never forget it. Prayer is so powerful.
Michelle:
Michelle, my bell.
Sont les mots qui vont très bien ensemble,
Très bien ensemble.
My dear Rufus,
What is so difficult to understand ?
Yes, they are on the "watch" list, but you will not find it on a public website.
Freedom of Information does not apply in National Security issues.
We have alot of groups on watch lists like Al Qaeda, IRA, Nazis of America, Neo Nazis, ..etc.
Let me give you an Example, so you will understand. I was stationed at NAS Willow Grove,PA in the security department.
While I was there, the 'Plow Sharers', a left wing group was placed on a 'watch list'.
This was long before 9-11. This group terrorized military families outside the base, and boasted that they had a right to share the 'plow' in government matters without going thru representation.
This same group cut thru our fence line one night and proceded to damage our aircraft on the flight line with sledge hammers.
I responded with other units to put these people down. We were authorized deadly force to protect government interests.
No one was killed as they gave up, and they were turned over to federal authorities.
That information was not public knowledge. Just as CNN does not have all the stories on the war.
Hope that helps brother! Nice to see the puns have gone away... for the moment. :) GOD BLESS!
Rufus,
You said...
"Oh, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray,"
"While I was still rationalizing how I could give Ray the benefit of the doubt on this one I read your comment. And now all I have to say is:
Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray, Ray............Get a grip....
hey Ray,
Just wrote up another post about you. Check it out. This time its an open letter....
anyways,I'd expect you to remember my site by now, but just in case here's the link:
http://pesharim.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/open-letter-to-ray-comfort/
Yeah, I know you don't allow links, bu this isn't a comment. Just my way of getting ahold of you....again.
Intro: Ray, it's either "sun-deniers" or "ahelioists."
Point 1: The argument isn't "God ordered genocide, and on occasion carried it out, and therefore cannot exist." It's "the morality you claim to derive from the Bible isn't reflected by the God described in the Bible, casting doubt on the consistency and hence perfect accuracy of the Bible." Since no one is claiming that the sun is benevolent and a perfect moral teacher, it is irrelevant that sunstroke kills.
Point 2: the night sky contains evidence for the sun: something must be illuminating the moon, and, given lunar phases, it seems unlikely that the Earth is the major source of that light. For that matter, the night sky contains thousands of naked-eye-visible stars, all of them suns in their own right. I'm not sure how to draw an analogy from this to evidence for God; perhaps you should take a stab at it.
Point 3: Books about the sun are based on actual observations of the sun. Books about God vary much more in their teachings than books about the sun; this implies that at least many of them are not based on actual observations of God. This in turn raises the question of how we could determine which books are based on such observations -- and if we could determine the answer by making our own observations, what would we need the book for?
Point 4: Do you ever reflect on the premise that this might be a better analogy of your own approach to evolution? You talk to people who know nothing of either evolutionary theory, nor of the evidence for common descent, and confirm that because they are ignorant of evidence for evolution, it must not exist. Of course, evolution is not a disproof of God, but then, neither is your own faith or your own incredulity any sort of disproof of evolution.
Point 5: The sun is not a ball of fire. Hydrogen gas incandescent from the heat of fusion in the sun's interior is no more "fire" than the molten metal oxides of the Earth's mantle. Those who testify that they've seen a ball of fire in the sky have observed badly or misinterpreted their own observations.
I'm curious: what would be the analogy to "electric lights" in your analogy, here? And when their neighbors come into the room, and insist (depending on their sect) that the sun is either a chariot drawn by fiery horses around the Earth, or a giant ball of space dung pushed around the sky by a cosmic scarab beetle, how should the ahelioists determine which of these beliefs to accept?
"Sun-ists responded by publishing photographs of the sun."
Oh, wait, that would break the analogy. Sorry.
A group known as “asunists” have produced a manifesto explaining why they believe that the sun doesn’t exist:
1. An entire desert tribe of men, women and children were once killed by the sun. Therefore the sun doesn’t exist.
Not quite. What we do is we point out that the actions of the diety in question do not match the moral standards that the deity's own holy book says he has.
While that by itself can't disprove it's existence, it does rule out at least one characteristic that is claimed for that diety.
2. Intelligent scientists have searched the night sky for the sun, and found no evidence for its existence.
Guess what? In real life, the sun can be seen, measured, and explained.
None applies to your deity.
3. They also entered a pitch-black room and studied a book about the sun. Again, they found no empirical evidence.
Actually, in many cases, in real life, it's former believers who's examined the holy book and wanted to believe, but found that they couldn't. Kind of the opposite of what you're portraying here.
4. Beliefs were confirmed by interviewing members of the Braille Institute.
In real life, most people can see the sun, while everyone alive can feel it's effects. Neither applies to your diety. Remember what I said in response to point three.
5. The millions who testified that they have seen a brilliant ball of fire in the sky are unscientific dimwitted liars.
No one alive today or for thousands of years has claimed to have seen your "diety".
The asunists continue to hold their meetings in a dark room and tell each other that it is intelligent to believe that the sun doesn’t exist.
While the believers of another sect continue to make strawman cariactures of those who don't belive in their deity and pretend that they're smarter than those whose ideas they distort.
To Rufus
Les personnes mauvaises recherchent des manières de nuire à d'autres ; même leurs mots brûlent avec le mal. (proverbes 16:27)
To reynold
Did someone step on your toes?
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins. Confess them and give them up; then God will show mercy to you. (Proverbs 28:13)
Ray,
I'm honstly making an effort to be polite, but this post of yours once again makes me think that you're a satirist. I found it to be pretty funny, but I really don't think that you meant it to be (at least, not for the reasons that I laughed at it).
Reynold did a good job of explaining why your analogy doesn't quite hold up very well.
David,
You wrote, "It is incredulous that all we can see has it's origins in total randomeness."
David, this is the very reason why so many atheists come off as grouchy and/or hostile. Evolution and the natural world doesn't involve randomness. In fact, Darwinian natural selection is very far from being random.
Look, if you want to disagree, and if you want to believe that God created everything the way it says in the Bible, that's your right. Still, it makes you seem either ignorant or willfully unintelligent when you argue against a point that nobody's even trying to make.
Interestingly, a-sun-ists don't exist.
For that reason, I think your analogy is perfect.
I want to leave it at that, but I want to satisfy myself that some of the Christians here will think past the statement to its implications.
The people in Ray's analogy are exactly like the atheists that Christians believe exist. They deny Ray's reality in the same way, for the same motivations, and the outcome makes them look equally foolish.
If atheists really did think as Christians think they do, then a-sun-ists would exist! It's that simple. A-sun-ism would be a popular belief, on par with atheism.
But in reality, a-sun-ists don't exist.
Why? Where does the analogy fail?
There are two obvious possibilities:
1. Atheists don't think as Ray believes they do.
2. The sun is real, while God isn't.
Of course, both could be true.
CHALLENGE FOR CHRISTIANS:
Can you give a good explanation for why a-sun-ists don't exist, but atheists do?
"Drew said...Interestingly, a-sun-ists don't exist....CHALLENGE FOR CHRISTIANS:Can you give a good explanation for why a-sun-ists don't exist, but atheists do?"
Drew...No need for a "good" explanation because "atheists" don't exist (it is impossible for them to). See my book, "God Doesn't Believe in Atheists" (Bridge Logos Publishers).
The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God."
Ray says... 'The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God."'
How many times are you going to repeat this rub... Oh yes... I forgot... You repeat and repeat and repeat in the hope that people will finally believe it to be true.
Doesn't make it true. It isn't true.
And am I the only one who is a little fed up of the "I will answer this by asking you to by my book" nonsense.
Just give the answer. If all this is as 'important' as you claim - stop rubbing your hands over your bottom line.
To reynold
Did someone step on your toes?
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins. Confess them and give them up; then God will show mercy to you. (Proverbs 28:13)
No, I'm just pointing out how wrong-headed Ray's analogy is.
The arrogance of your, and I imagine, various other faiths: if someone disagrees, you assume that they're trying to cover up their sin.
No.
Then there's Rays' statement: The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God.".
There's one for the Fundy Word-Redefinition Project. That's really arrogant, Ray. You assume to know our motives better than we know them. Of course, knowing you, you'll have a bible verse you can use to back that up, and I bet I know which one...
It won't make it right but as far as you're concerned it will.
How about this? A "Christian/Muslim, etc" is someone who pretends that their is a "God".
Sergio,
You said,
"Of course what you "athiests" don't get is what Ray is saying here. He's saying by use of sarcasm that the Sun-Gods don't exist and never did."
Serg, may I call you Serg?
You have won the prize for the most clueless person of the month.
"You" are the one that doesn't get it. Ray was using the sun as a metaphor for your God. And asunists are people that don't believe the sun exists.
Now, it was a totally absurd metaphor, as Ray's metaphors usually are absurd, but that's just Ray.
Shishberg said...
"Sun-ists responded by publishing photographs of the sun."
LOL! Well said!
choco said...
To reynold
Did someone step on your toes?
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins.
Well now, just what is your definition of "success in life."
Shiver,
You said,
"Romans one informs us that unbelievers will devise systems of thought to suppress the truth about God from their consciences."
No, nature has devised the systems, we oly discover them.
Lance Christian Johnson checks himself - asks wife for confirmation - pets dog, dog wags tail - pets cat, cat purrs.
Hey, Ray, I do too exist!
Ray, do you really need a whole book to explain why atheists don't really exist? Is this just a variation on your argument about how we can't really be atheists because we're omniscient, and therefore we can't possibly know that God doesn't exist?
Is there more to it than that, because I've heard that one before, and I've even seen you being confronted with the reasons why that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, them being:
1. Atheists (at least me, anyway) don't say that they know God doesn't exist, they just say that they don't believe in Him.
2. You can make the same argument for aSupermanism. You're not omniscient, therefore you can't say that you know that Superman doesn't exist. So, you pretend that Superman doesn't exist (despite the fact that it was he who put Lex Luthor in prison). ; )
Ray, I'm trying really hard to be polite here, as I don't want to see a quote from me on a future blog post of examples of atheist rudeness. That said, your definition of atheist is silly. I mean, you accuse us of acting like we're omniscient, yet you dare to tell us how we truly feel about something.
Please tell me that there's more to your argument than that, otherwise I will be forced to believe that you are being silly. Please, stop the silliness.
Terry Burton,
You said,
"Here is my theory on it. God has no beginning, no end. Therefore, He has always been creating in different dimensions & realms."
No. That is not a theory and hardly makes the grade as a hypothesis.
A Theory must have an abundance of evidence, make predictions, and it must be able to be falsified.
Your "Theory" is merely a crackpot's belief.
Ray Comfort:
How many "professing a-sun-ists" have you met, heard about, seen any evidence for? When you claim that "atheists do not exist," you are either convincing yourself that you know the minds of non-believers (not very humble) or you are lying outright. I suspect the latter, but must recognize the former as a real possibility.
Steven J:
Interestingly, the night sky only contains evidence for the sun insofar as we already believe it exists. A hypothetical society that never saw daylight hours (say, they turned to stone or something) would probably not believe it existed. They might even decide that photographs that we brought as evidence were "doctored."
The primary difference (to us) between believing the sun exists and believing the biblical deity exists is that we can see the sun without believing first. Christian tell us we have to believe in their deity first before we see this deity or any evidence.
Ray,
Drew...No need for a "good" explanation because "atheists" don't exist (it is impossible for them to). See my book, "God Doesn't Believe in Atheists" (Bridge Logos Publishers).
The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God."
For the love of Zeus....
Please stop making this absurd claim. It holds as much water as the professing Christian is "someone who pretends that there is a God, Satan, angels, demons, ghosts, talking snakes, and witches."
You don't know our minds any better than we do yours.
And why wasn't my other comment on this thread approved? It didn't violate any of your rules.
Terry Burton et al:
So, it's not classified information, but it's not on the public website. Okay. You do have quite an imagination. You should hook up with Tim Lahaye. Or better yet, you and Ray could work on a series of novels. They would have to be even further out there than the Left Behind wastes of pulp. Let me know how it turns out.
The professing atheist is "someone who pretends that there is no God."
Yes Ray, that is technically correct. However I doubt your all of your readers are educated enough to understand the meaning of the word, and that leaves the phrase open to incorrect interpretation.
It would be better to say "The professing atheist is someone who claims that there is no God." which removes the ambiguity.
choco said...
To reynold
Did someone step on your toes?
You will never succeed in life if you try to hide your sins.
Well now, just what is your definition of "success in life."
Read my last post. I've dealt with you already. Your religious arrogance is showing again.
No, I'm just pointing out how wrong-headed Ray's analogy is.
The arrogance of your, and I imagine, various other faiths: if someone disagrees, you assume that they're trying to cover up their sin.
No.
You're making false presumptions about my posting here, and considering the weird stuff on your blog, I'd say you don't have a clue about atheists either.
They mock others who have something to try to get others to believe in nothing. They have a fellowship of nothing. The rules of their fellowship on based on nothing. When they're thankful, they thankful to nothing. When they're blessed, they are blessed by nothing. They get their comfort in sorrow from nothing. They pray to nothing. They vent their frustrations to nothing. They blame everything on nothing. They teach nothing. Their mental and emotional wholeness is based on nothing. Their social needs are on nothing. Their environmental harmony is on nothing. The great benefits in life are based on nothing.
Who in blazes stepped on your toes?? I've never seen such bitterness.
I don't have the time it would take to educate you either. Besides, it's obvious you've made up your mind already.
Everyone defines success in life differently, I suspect. Me, it would come down to succeeding in doing what one sets out to do.
To Dale
never suceed...hidden sins
Ask Eliot Spitzer.
To reynold
Just facts.
Not that it should surprise me any longer but.... weak.
Choco:
just facts
I prefer facts to the bigoted, unustified assertions of believers.
Ray, you already know my stance on science and the Bible. As do most people who have been here for at least a month or two.
Having said that, I think that this isn't too far off of an accurate depiction of what's going on here.
I don't know that I agree with #1. People use that argument in an attempt to show that the God of the Bible isn't what we say he is, not as evidence that he doesn't exist. They aren't that stupid. At least, the ones that frequent your blog aren't that stupid.
Choco,
You said,
"To Dale
never suceed...hidden sins
Ask Eliot Spitzer.
To reynold
Just facts.
May 4, 2008 7:17 PM"
If you are trying to imply that I am like Spitzer is, you better grow up. You have a major problem.
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